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Goblins and Orcs Edit
I removed a lot of unsourced material that you added to the Orcs page. This wiki, except for pages that are clearly marked as being non-canon, or are in an obviously non-canon section such as "Portrayals in Adaptations," refer to information that is directly from Tolkien's works. Original theories, extrapolations, speculation, etc. are not allowed on these main pages, nor are theories (such as alleged differences between goblins and orcs, or the "breeds of orcs") that do not come directly from Tolkien's works. If you do want to add a page that concerns original theories or speculations, it must be marked non-canon and identified as such, and all published sources must be referenced by appropriate citations. Your own theories should be placed on a user blog page. - Gradivus, 01:36, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
- If you want to undo my edit of the Goblin vs Orcs than I guess I can't argue with you (though I do not see how my speculation contracicted Tolkien's work) but I see no reason for undoing my edits of the variations section. I would like an explation, as the exitense of Goblins and Hobgoblins is irrifutable.
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- The only thing irrefutable about the existence of goblins and hobgoblins is that they don't exist at all – they are imaginary creatures. The ones mentioned by Tolkien are literary creations. The various relationships you were writing about were dreamed up by other writers, not Tolkien, although based on his stories. As far as what is canon, i.e., written by Tolkien himself, the term hobgoblins appears so rarely that there is little clear basis for a definition. Here's what Tolkien said about it, in the Preface to The Hobbit: "Orc is not an English word. It occurs in one or two places but is usually translated goblin (or hobgoblin for the larger kinds)."
- - Gradivus, 07:49, November 12, 2013 (UTC)