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I was reading The Hobbit and noticed that in the first chapter, Gandalf says, "And Thrain your father went away on the twenty-first of April, a hundred years ago last Thursday, and has never been seen by you since--"

I know these means a date in the TA can be determined, but I'm not sure what it would be.

Thrain left for Erebor in TA 2841, a hundred years before the events of The Hobbit in TA 2941. - Gradivus, 03:33, December 22, 2012 (UTC)


204.195.75.155 02:55, December 22, 2012 (UTC) Drew (unregistered user)

Thrain the insane? Edit

I'm well aware that the picture of "Thrain II the insane in Dol Guldur" has been up on this page for a while, and I'd just like to ask: on what grounds has this conclusion been made? As far as I know, no statements have been made confirming this, and it is a scene that appears for less than a second in the trailer. What makes people so sure it's Thrain? Eggy2504 (talk) 19:03, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

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