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The books Edit

Uh...there's a lot more to the Lord of the Rings than just the Silmarillion, The Hobbit, and the Lord of the Rings trilogy, guys. Why not expand? --Ryluk Shouja 14:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Is anyone paying any attention to my suggestion? At least tell me no, not just leave this hanging. --Ryluk Shouja 10:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion, we already use all publications of tolkien's middle earth. I know the main page only says a small number of the amount of overall works, but this wiki was origanlly set out to be based around lord of the rings only, so we have already expanded.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  16:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Thank you for clarifying that. I'm not a frequent editor of this wiki, as I don't have enough knowledge to properly contribute, but I happened to notice the main page saying that. Perhaps it should be changed, as it is misleading.

--Ryluk Shouja(Bounty Hunters Guild)00:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, here are a few more books that could be added if anyone who can is willing: The Lost Road, Unfinished Tales, The Book of Lost Tales Part 1, The Book of Lost Tales Part 2, The Children of Húrin, The Adventures of Tom Bombadil, The Return of the Shadow, The Treason of Isengard, The War of the Ring, and Sauron Defeated. There are some more but I don't know their names. One could probably find their names somewhere on the internet. Guten Tag! Gott wisst 04:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Title Edit

I think this wiki should be called "Arda", not "The Lord of the Rings". Klow 17:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Good point, but most people do not recognise "Arda" as where LotR is set.

QuestionsEdit

Hello there, could anyone tell me how to make an info box for a character, I cannot seem to do it right. Ganko 15:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The best character info box is going to be {{Infobox LOTR}}. The following is an example of how to use it:
{{Infobox LOTR |
image_character = Aragorn.jpg |
image_caption = [[Viggo Mortensen]] portrays '''Aragorn''' in 
[[Peter Jackson]]'s ''[[The Lord of the Rings film trilogy|The Lord of the Rings]]'' films. |
character_name = Aragorn |
character_alias = King Elessar Telcontar, Estel, Longhanks, Thorongil, Strider,  Dúnedain|
character_title = Chieftain of the Dúnedain, High King Elessar Telcontar of Arnor and Gondor|
character_race = [[Men (Middle-earth)|Men]] |
character_culture = [[Dúnedain]] |
character_gender = Male |
character_realm = Reunited Kingdom|
character_sub_realm =  Arnor, Gondor|
character_lifespan =  [[TA 2931]] -  [[SR 1541]] |
character_weapon = [[Andúril]] |
character_actor = Viggo Mortensen |
character_voice = Viggo Mortensen |
}}

Pictures Edit

The white background on the thumbnails of the pictures on the main page have always bugged me. Does anyone think that we should not use thumbnails and just have the picture by itself?-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  16:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

it probably would be better without them. to remove them you would have to change the LOTR:Featured pictures templates Gimli 15:31, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Edit

Wiki2
This is a new image I made, that if people want could replace the existing wiki logo. It has no writing, but has an excellent transparency.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  16:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Wiki2
Cool! I think this is a good idea, it looks better than the old one Gimli 04:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
we'll try it out, but we could always change it back.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  08:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Wiki3

Here is another possibility, if the wiki gets renamed, as the vote so far is ahead for One Wiki to Rule Them All Gimli 13:54, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I think the idea of having the name on the logo is neat.--Arwen Skywalker 16:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
That looks brilliant. I had a go at puting the writing on it before, but it looked terrible. That however looks perfect!-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  20:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Wiki4
Also tried with the current name Gimli 09:38, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Parodies Edit

May parodies of the LOTR books be posted. I noticed nobody has made a Soddit page. I was wondering of that kind of material is inacceptable on this wiki. Respectfully IngloriousIdiot

You could make it if you like, but please add this non-canon tag to the top {{NonCanon}}
thanks for contributing, -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  08:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
See also Parodies Gimli 03:43, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Links Edit

I have seen recently a number of pages that have had their red links deleted. While I agree with the goal of not having any red links, and that there are red links that should not be turned into pages, I feel that too many of these links are being deleted with out regard for wether or not a page should be created for them. Because of this I am suggesting the following guide lines for dealing with red links.

  1. Create page for the link
    If the the link is to something that should be included on this wiki, the link should remain red until the time that someone creates the page. This will put the page onto the list of Wanted Pages and allow people to know that an article needs to be writen.
  2. Link to another wiki
    If it is a link to something that people might want to look into more but does not belong on this wiki I suggest that a link off to another wiki using interwiki links would be the best course of action. This we do not add pages to this wiki that are off topic but allow people to get more information on what they are looking into. One example would be Oxford (one note on doing this, it is best if you do this as a piped link like this [[Wikipedia:Oxford|Oxford]].
  3. Delete Link
    As I said above, not all current red links need to have a page.

Of course all of these are going to be up the the discretion of the individual editors. I just hope that this set of guide lines is helpful.

One last thing about links. Since I am advocating the use of interwiki links, and the interwiki links are very similar in style and color to regular wiki links, i would suggest that we change the their color to, possibly, something like this.

Any thoughts would be appreciated. Razor77 02:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree that we could do with making relevant wanted pages. And the linking to other wikis is a good idea. I'll see what we can do about changing the colour of the link, at the moment it looks like it would be very complicated to change the colour of the link. I'll try a template, and maybe make a button to make it easier to link to wikipedia pages. The code for a colour changed wikipedia link would be: [[Wikipedia:Oxford|<font color="green">Oxford</font>]]

And would turn out as the following:
Oxford

-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  15:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

How about the use of a template: Oxford. Simple code: {{wikipedia|Oxford}}
-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  15:15, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
I like the template but I have also changed the Style Sheet so that any links to another wiki will the right color. I also removed the color from the template. That way if we decide on a different color later we will only have to change it in one place. Razor77 16:04, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I couldn't find a way to change the link colour in the style sheet earlier so its a good job you did. And as this is the case now, do we need the template? Because the normal code for the link would do the same job(except it will show the 'Wikipedia:' in front). Wikipedia:Oxford -- [[Wikipedia:Oxford]]
-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  16:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Name Edit

I think it's time that we should have a proper name for this wiki, insted of the long winded 'The Lord of the Rings Wiki'. For example, the star wars wiki is called Wookieepedia, and a LOST wiki is called lostpedia. I can't think of a good one for our wiki right now, so I need other people's ideas.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  09:52, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe Ardapedia? - User:Dwarves
Ardapedia might not be understood by those not familiar with lotr, although it would be an improvement. I dont know what else could work.. middlepedia? ringspedia? Gimli 09:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think 'The Lord of the Rings Wiki' is all that long-winded; it's only one word longer than the common title of the books/movies. Although I like Gimli's suggestion of 'Ringspedia,' it doesn't immediately tell people what the wiki is about. If we were to change the name, I think we need something very specific to LOTR & Middle-earth, just like Wookiees are related solely to Star Wars. The difficulty is that so much of Tolkien's work has spread throughout fantasy that to be LOTR-specific may require something too obscure for a lot of readers to recognize. Perhaps LOTRwiki or LOTRpedia would work, though it's not a very easily said name. Nazgûlpedia? Bagginspedia? The Bag End Wiki?--Arwen Skywalker 20:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I think what we could do is to have a new temporary project page where we can put all the name ideas together and have a vote set up for all users to give a decision.
See LOTR:Wiki Name.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  21:44, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Arwen that the title is not too long. Wookieepdia works as a name because of how unique Wookiees are to Star Wars and how close the sound is to Wikipedia Razor77 02:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

New ideas Edit

I have created two new images one for our search bar and the other for the message alert thing. Here is the search bar image
Ringwraith search

Idea for new search bar image.

and here is the image for the Message alert thing.
Mouth of Sauron-message alert

Idea for new message alert.

I do not know how to put these images in their place, but please tell me what you think of them, thank you. - User:Dwarves
I like them alot! just not sure how to change them either Gimli 09:11, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I found and changed the new message alert, but since I don't have any image editing software on this computer I had to use a diffrent image. I'm going to leave you each a message so you can see the new alert Razor77 16:44, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


Two thoughts Edit

Hi all. Looking around for somewhere to talk to this community, it struck me that you don't have a wiki-forum yet. Would you like one set up? Have a look at the Central Forum for an idea of what these look like. You could give the forums a more individual name of course, let me know and I'll be happy to set this up.

And what I was hoping to talk to you about in a forum :) is the Lord of the Rings Online Wiki. It's not yet taken off in the way it could, although it's made a start. What might work well is some inter-wiki cooperation, in particular, I thought about featuring LOTRO Wiki on the main page here for a while. That might draw some people interested in the game over to that wiki. And perhaps that wiki could feature this on the main page too. What do you think? -- Sannse 13:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC) Wikia Community Team

Hi Sannse, it would be great for you to help us set up a forum - I had a go at one not long ago but never found time to perfect it, its located here, and I'm not sure if it's what it should be.
It would be fine to put a permanent link to the Lord of the Rings Online Wiki on the main page. And we'll sort out a temporary feature of the LOTRO wiki on the main page. Thanks -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  16:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
A feature sounds great! I've added a link (I wasn't sure where, but hopefully it's ok where I put it).
I've done the forums too, you might want to change the name of the second, but at least that's easier now it's all in place. Let me know if you want help with any changes. I do love adding wiki-forums, I think they are a fun addition to any wiki :) -- Sannse 11:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Copy/Paste?Edit

I've been trying to expand some stubs and I've also created some new pages, and I've noticed something--several of the pages I've come across are direct pastes from the [of Arda]. I know there's a policy in place for the Wikipedia, but should we be copying from Arda? I use the site as a resource, but I always put the articles in my own words. I majored in English, so I'm probably more paranoid about plagiarism than most, but it seems to me that Arda is a sponsored site that is selling information (they have an interactive edition on CD-Rom), so it might not be exactly kosher to be copying their articles. Kimmysanders 09:50, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

this is correct, Arda should not be copied, see LOTR:Project Missing encyclopedic articles. Gimli 11:21, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

So, then, if we run across an article that's a direct paste, should we try to rephrase it? It would probably be quite labor-intensive to try and compile a list of all of them. I know of a few that I could probably re-write, if that's okay. Kimmysanders 01:51, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes they should be rephrased or removed. Which pages did you notice like this by the way? Gimli 11:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

New Template Edit

I've created a new template for the characters, What do people think of it? If certain fields aren't used they won't show up, so it would make pages look more organized. Gandalf Example: {{Infobox Character |Image=Rings-gandalf.jpg |Name=Gandalf |AKA=Olórin, Mithrandir, Greyhame |Race=[[Istari]] |Culture=[[Maiar]] |Gender=Male |Age=Immortal |Weapon=[[Glamdring]], [[Narya]] |Actor=[[Sir Ian McKellen]] }}

Looks good! We definately dont need the "Character from The Lord of the Rings" at the top Gimli 11:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

interwiki Edit

Can someone added interwiki on russian chapter on this page ([[ru:Заглавная страница]])? if not difficult. thanks --exlex 02:26, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I've done this. Angela talk 03:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

it.lotr Edit

Hi! I am an administrator of italian lotr. Can you signal it in your Main Page? --Morgoth92 13:22, 10 lug 2007 (CEST)

I have added the link information and requested that the interlanguage links to the Italian version be activated. Razor77 16:03, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Target Edit

Lets make a target that by the end of the year we have at least 3000 articles; we can use the Missing encyclopedic articles Wikiproject, and the Wanted Pages Wikiproject to help us.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  20:19, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

We don't have to create brand new articles, as we have a lot of stub pages that do not count in the statistics main count. We have 2734 proper pages whereas in total we have 6108 page and i'd say about 1000 of that is talk pages, help pages ,user pages etc. and the other 2000 are stub pages that could be easily expanded, which could make a total number of proper articles into 5000. A list of these stub pages can be found here here -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  13:13, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Copyright thingy Edit

First of all, I would like to say I am NOT accusing anyone of breaching copyright. I would like to ask how you are including copyrighted names (such as "hobbit") on the wiki without breaching copyright?

I am asking this because I wish to add a Dungeons & Dragons campaign setting on D&D Wiki based on The Lord of the Rings, but I do not wish to breach copyright. What information do I need to include for it to be considered fair use of copyright, and what are the limitations? Thanks very much for any help offered.

Hi Anonymous! In answer to your question you should include a disclaimer stating something similar to the one on our Main Page as follows...

Legal Disclaimer

This fansite is Not in any way, shape, or form affiliated with Saul Zaentz, Tolkien Enterprises, the Tolkien Estate, New Line Cinema, or Wingnut Films.
Copyrights and trademarks for the books, films, and other promotional materials are held by their respective owners and their use is allowed under the fair use clause of the Copyright Law.

Specifically you would need to make a disclaimer based on the trademarks of the books and movies. Any other questions, then please let me know. Thanks.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  21:12, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! --Sam Kay 20:46, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Wizard HelpEdit

Heyy, can anyone help us out with info about wizards. we need genders, locations, languages, physical descriptions, life span, and skills. Thanks for your help

Hello, Anonymous.
Well in the unfinished tales, there is an essay about the wizards, detailing all that is known about them. I can give you a summary (off the top of my head, using unfinished tales as a refrance) to help you.
There where an unknown number of wizards, but the cheifs who came to middle earth were five1. They where spirits much like (or were some of) the Maiar, called the Istári (the quenya word for wizards, sing. Istár). They where given human bodies and sent to middle earth to help there (I can't remember what exactly they where told to do, if I ever knew). They landed on the western shore of middle earth individually (in boats), or possibly in small groups. Each was in the form of an old man, with cloaks (or robes) and pointed hats. Each carried a staff (though each staff was refered to several times as a wand or a rod). In human bodies, they where subject to all the temptations that men where subject to. Gandalf arrived last, apparently the lowest of stature and status among them, but the master of the Gray Havens, Círdan, (were they landed) recognised him to be the wisest and greatest of them all, and gave him one of the tree rings, Narya, the ring of fire. Two of the other five were clad in blue, one in brown (radagast), and one in white (Saruman, the head of the order). The blue wizards had no names in the west other than "Ithryn Luin", the "blue wizards". Saruman was considered the greatest of the order by many. Evidence suggests that the wizards where all male (though that may or not be the case with the many "unknown wizards" hinted at in the unfinished tales, though it is probably the case). The wizards, as with all spirits, were probably immortal.


Soon after arrival, the blue wizards went ito the east with Saruman, and though Saruman returned, the blue wizards did not, and what befell them is unknown. THe other three remained in th west. Gandalf and Radagast traveled much, but Saruman settled in Orthanc to studdy. Later, he succumed to the desires of men (the desire for power) and turned trator, as depicted in "The Lord of the Rings".


I think that should answer your questions well enough (alas, I cannot give you specific heights, but they were in the stature of old men, so that should help). As for skills, would you mind being abit more specific? What do you need the information for? I could help you better if I knew... I hope I have been of help. --Sam Kay 16:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


1: I will herafter refer only to these five.

wizard help Edit

Heyy, we're doing a project for our high school sci-fi project on wizards in Tolkien. We need Location, Languages, Physical Descriptions, Gender, Life Span, Creation/history, and Skills. Thanks guys

goalieman386

I have given a detailed description above. I would suggest seeing the wizard articles on this site for more information, or see unfinished tales, page 502-520. For skills, I do not know what you mean. If you need more, contact me on my talk page . I will point out though, LotR is a fantasy, not a Sci-fi (though that might not matter). I hope I have been helpful. --Sam Kay 16:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Quotes for LotR Edit

I want to put a quote on the main page of my campain setting based on Lord of the Rings for Dungeons & Dragons, and I would like help choosing one, so I was wondering if anyone on this wiki would like to help, so, if you have time, please vote for the quote below that you feel best depicts tolkien's works. I am trying to capture the flavour of, ot only LotR, but Tolkien's other books as well. Thank you for helping. Voting ends october 1st.

The campain setting is here. --Sam Kay 14:59, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

What quote gives the best flavour of Tolkien's Works?
 
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The poll was created at 14:58 on September 27, 2007, and so far 27 people voted.

Voting has ended. Feel free to keep voting, but there is little point. --81.77.217.161 18:53, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it has. Very perseptive of you. But I set up the vote, so you should wait for me to end it. --Sam Kay 18:59, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Top 10 Most Popular Pages Edit

  1. Main Page
  2. Gandalf
  3. Morgoth
  4. Legolas
  5. Aragorn II
  6. Sauron
  7. Orc
  8. The Lord of the Rings Strategy Battle Game
  9. The Silmarillion
  10. Frodo

-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  13:16, 27 October 2007 (UTC)


Missing Articles Edit

I notice that a few articles have been deleted. I would rewrite them, but I have never heard of them:

Mewlips Were-worm Kine of Araw Gorecrow Sandworm Badger folk

Userboxes from Wikipedia Edit

I think we should get more userboxes than just the user lore. I've already created one that you can see on my user-page, but I guess I should have cleared it with the admin first. Any help would be appreciated (if it's okay, of course). Gamma Metroid | talk | contribs | edits 23:04, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

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