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I know that I'm just an IP, but I think it would be really cool if this site had a page about Sindarin pronouns like at the end of The Silmarillion. Example:
mor - "dark" (in Mordor, Moria, Morwen)
kind of like that.--126.96.36.199 01:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Okay actually I just got an account.--Laureyave Means Banana 01:09, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
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I am a adminstrator of the Dutch LOTR wiki and I would ask if you want to add my wiki like you did with the deutch lotr wiki.
Just add at the bottom of the article this:
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Could some of the stuff in the left column be deleted or rearranged? It is a nuisance to have to scroll down to get to the Search box. Thx. Fatidiot1234 17:57, March 7, 2010 (UTC) Please diesregard.I switched to the Sapphire skin and the problem went away. Fatidiot1234 18:26, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
Nazgul versus Gandalf Edit
I can't actually remember whether this was in the books or not, but it was a deleted scene of the film...the Lord of the Nazgul, the Witch King of Angmar, confronts Gandalf the White and in a display of his power breaks Gandalf's staff, subsequently fulfilling his promise to Gothmog that he would 'break the wizard.'fantage
If both Gandalf and Sauron are of the same origin, then how is it that a mere servant of Sauron has the power to defeat Gandalf so viciously?
Is it because of the ring on the Witch King's Finger? Is it that coupled with Sauron's influence?
That's Jackson's mistake, not Tolkien's. Do remember though that Gandalf had only just been brought back and that he had recently defeated Saruman, so he could for a time have been weaker.--Wyvern Rex. 18:40, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
Witch-King wasn't a mere servant of Sauron...he was the finest servant of Mordor and Sauron, his best fighter and his best commander....also don't forget that he was once a great King...
Anyways you must always look at the factors .... How is it that Manchester United looses football games with such inferior teams? .....look always at all factors...how is that one of the best swordsman(Boromir) of Middle-earth was defeated by mere uruk scouts?!Winterz 15:38, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
No disrespect to the Witch-king, but in the Tolkienian heroic-saga Trilogy the greatest force for good in Arda probably wouldn't have have been defeated by a weak-willed former Man enthralled by a loop of gold when Gandalf himself can resist a more powerful Elven ring. Boromir died from treacherous arrows shot by cunning Uruk-hai from a distance, so is probably not the best comparison with a face-to-face combat (which Boromir would have won, were it with the Uruks). More accurate would be (pause due to mild fear that a "wing" debate may be re-opened) Gandalf versus Durin's bane in Moria. The Balrog is strong but atrophied by long ages, while Gandalf's time of power is yet to come. They are more evenly matched and neither truly wins. This is probably how Jackson (and maybe Tolkien) should have done it. Two fighters, both experts in their way: the refined magic and near-elven grace of Gandalf versus the brute force and necromancy of the Witch-king. With a duel like that, you wouldn't even need to write a winner.--Wyvern Rex. 17:12, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
Argh you are confusing me now... so you say that the duel between Witch-king and Gandalf was balanced? Also.. in Peter's movie.. you only see the Witch-King breaking his staff...Gandalf could still have defeated the Witch-King (although the fell-beast was a pretty nice advantage to the Witch-king) with his own hands or his powerful sword.
Durin's Bane was a Balrog and so he could have been as powerful as Gandalf since he was a Corrupted Maia but still a Maia..And Gandalf didn't needed his staff to destroy him. His sword was enough...So My conclusion? Gandalf wasn't exactly defeated in that duel..and the Rohirrim arrival just ruined what would have became a brilliant duel. Sauron's serve against Valar's serveWinterz 18:37, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
I didn't say that it was balanced. I said that it failed because it wasn't and the arrival of the Rohirrim was a positive mercy. The main conflict of the book to Tolkien was Gandalf versus Saruman: the angel of redemption against the exterminating fallen angel. Looking at the political climate, it could be argued that the Gandalf of the Trilogy was based on the environmental campaigner Grey Owl, a supposedly native American (actually English, and in a positive way a fraud) who reminded people that though progress must be made, the good things from before should be kept if possible. Saruman was the archetypal "mad scientist" of the petrochemical and plutonium era, a highly overused and inaccurate stereotype but with some valid points. The real climax of the books was the breaking of Saruman's staff and the rejection of his authority. To do this to the former "Greyhame" in an add-on scene means, as you can see, rather more than an excuse to break out Glamdring. In the same respect, Jackson should hardly have replaced the powerful dialogue scene when Gandalf was captured at Orthanc with an undignified fist-fight.
Primarily, Gandalf fights with his wits, making him the calm, measured alternative to the Three Hunters. Letting go of the Moria bridge is very much a throwback to Glorfindel and Ecthelion, the previous Balrog slayers. Even before then, he seems to be using his magic to prevent the beast from taking the Ringbearer. Also, flash back to The Hobbit and the finding of Glamdring, Orcrist and Sting in the Troll cave. Allowing for the fanciful style: Gandalf versus trolls? Speech powers and cunning. Gandalf versus goblins? Energy blast and cunning. The ability to focus the powers of the Istari is more important to him in the books than waving an old sword around.
Continuing the Fell beast versus Shadowfax debate, Shadowfax has a noble lineage behind him, dating back to the dawn of Rohan. I therefore conclude that although a duel between Gandalf and the Witch-king would be entertaining, it should keep to the nature of the characters. Maybe reference the Witch-king being forced to break off when he views difficulty for Gothmog, and Gandalf reminding him of Glorfindel's famous words.--Wyvern Rex. 09:04, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
I think I'm starting to understand your point of view..So you are saying that better than making a unnecessary scene(Witch-King vs Gandalf in Minas Tirith) Peter should have focused more in the duel between the wizards(Saruman and Gandalf)?
Well if it is that than you must notice that what Peter probably wanted to show is how the Rohirrim really came saving the day..even when all hope is gone to Minas Tirith people/garrison and to Gandalf himself(that was supposed to be defeated and killed)...The arrival of Rohan is what that scene was meant for and not just some fancy duel that endured for a couple seconds..
Also don't call it "an old sword" .. what matters is not the sword but the man behind it...and it was Gandalf...and he could do extraordinary things with it.Winterz 19:25, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
Exactly. Saruman is insane to the extent that it is almost beautiful. His attempt to confuse Radagast, the imprisonment of Gandalf, the Last March of the Ents and his final fall in the Scouring of the Shire (Made into another throwaway deleted scene. His release alone demonstrated the compassion of Fangorn.) show his once-great mind fall apart as he fails to conceive of forces greater than himself. In spite of his betrayal, Gandalf still tries to appeal to the good in him. Gandalf understands Saruman's independent thirst for power, but does Gandalf have any real connection with the weak-willed Witch-king? Gandalf, holder of a ring second only to the One against someone enthralled by an invisibilty trick and extended life?
One of my main issues with Jackson's films is the way in which personalities were changed. Faramir was bad enough but the panic-stricken Gandalf was too much. Gandalf, as the agent of the Valar, performs the task he was set. Maybe it humanises him. Maybe it shouldn't, as Gandalf is not human.
If we going to enter "The-Trilogy-according-to-Peter-Jackson" we can consider other ways of letting the Rohirrim arrive. Just one suggestion: The insane Denethor, still on the battlements, looks out and views the Riders of Rohan. Half-crazed, he imagines them to be reinforcements from Dol Guldur and finally loses all hope, in spite of an overjoyed Beregond trying to tell him that these were Men of the Mark. It seems reasonable from Denethor's delusions, and illustrates his true fall: his refusal to trust.
Gandalf got on very nicely without Glamdring before he found it. To him, a sword is just another weapon. Glamdring always came second to Anduril, the latter being a symbol for the West.--Wyvern Rex. 09:04, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
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Haldir, Marchwarden vs. Haldir of the Haladin Edit
I just made a page for Haldir of the Haladin. Learn the difference before you link a Haldir somewhere. The Marchwarden is the one from Lorien, the Haladin is the one from the First Age. Please don't accidentally link one to the other. And if you see one that's incorrectly linked, fix it please! Thanks, Echobrand 21:19, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
Would someone please add the following links to the main page (at the very bottom)? I can't do it because the page is protected.
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Would it be alright to update the main page a bit? Search for new featured pictures/articles/collaborations. I think these are still the ones we started with? I didn't know where to put this exactly, so I'll just place it here. I saw the templates and pages for featured articles and stuff. I don't think it would hurt to search for some other well-written articles that could maybe have a spot on the main page? Perhaps a forum topic is in order. If nobody sees this message, I'll try and open up a forum topic.--Nognix 17:25, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes. Good idea.--Wyvern Rex. 18:08, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
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Of the current film adaptions... Edit
I think the Hobbit ΙησούςΦρικτός 14:10, December 16, 2012 (UTC) the hobbit is fine as it is. im sorry im new to the wiki and i dont want to start off by creating striffe. but sometimes adaptations is better then whats in the bookEvan Nesb (talk) 19:45, March 29, 2013 (UTC)barouk khazahd
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Incorrectly colored Shadowfax - Main Page background Edit
Should there be an incorrectly-colored Shadowfax image on the main page?
Whats with the blatant fabrication of Tolkien info on this site? Is this a fan fiction site or is it actualy trying to be a source for info on Tolkiens work?
Look up the battle of Cair Andros or any number of other battles on this site. Fabricated story lines and numbers on the troop disposition and casualties that Tolkien clearly never stated. The cowardly leader of Cair Andros abandoned the settlemetn? a report on casualties from this battle? State your source.
If this site is meant to be a fan site where details are made up for events that Tolkien never gave details for then i suppos i get it. Othweriws whats the explanation for all the made up info on events in middle Earth?
- Sir, this website has been target of many sorts of vandalism, some are meant by faking statements and numbers without propper sourcing. If you feel that something is incorrect, feel free to remove it or to correct it by providing a source. Most of us try to correct it, but we're still too few in comparison to the vandals, which in the early years of this Wiki, sure messed it up. Winterz (talk) 14:13, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't the new Hobbit movie trailer be on the main page?
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