Talk:Gandalf
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[edit] Name
I know I'm not a member or anything, but Gandalf's real name isn't Stormcrow, that's just a stupid name people call him when they don't want to see him.
Was Gandalf the White really invincible to mortal weapons? I dont remember anything about that and it does not really make much sence. Mankoi 15:04, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
- I doubt it. Ive removed it Gimli 23:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
- Gandalf the White was invincible to mortal weapons as is stated in the refrence book: 'The Lord of the Rings, Weapons and Warfare' so I have added the statement again.--Darth Mantus 20:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, Gandalf was an Istar, which means he is one of the Ainur. As such, he is not able to "die", as long as the World lasts (like all Ainur and like the Quendi--except Luthien and Half-elves that chose mortality). Nonetheless, Istari were suffering the pains and emotions of the Children of Iluvatar (reference to Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien needed). Gandalf could be injured and could have his body "destroyed" (the same for the Quendi). The spirits of the Istari (as well as the Quendi) do not die. But while Quendi can only reappear and integrate a new body in Aman (Heaven) after their "death", Istari can reenter the world after being separated from their body for a while, like Gandalf being "slain" by the Balrog, and reappearing (and also like Sauron being submerged by the cataclism that changed Arda into a sphere at the end of Second Age). So I would not say he is invincible, but he is deathless indeed (doomed to be alive untill the End of the World). --Athyndmion 16:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- i agree. Otherwise, he would not have died and come back- I remember reading that maia and Istar could only be slain by a Vala, and a Vala could never be slain. --81.77.217.161 14:14, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Length
Am I the only one that thinks this article is rather short? I figure anyone who has read the novels or seen the movies knows who Gandalf is, but over at Wookieepedia the article for main characters, such as Luke Skywalker, are quite long. Duke Starhopper 00:54, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, it seems that the only real contributions made to this wiki are the countless pictures from the films. I love the films, bu I feel that more articles would make this wiki much better and more informative. Quidon88 16:06, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
- The difference, I feel, is that LOTR doesn't have/permit stories to be written and published by other authors currently. Star Wars does, which is what contributes so much of the extra material at Wookieepedia, not particularly active fans(Although I am responding to a comment 2 years old...), or a lack of information on our part. Keeping OWtRTA canon means that at this stage we have to exclude anything not written by the master and his family, for good and ill. For good fanfiction that deserves to be properly edited and published, read the main story cycle of The Mellon Chronicles.MyrddinDerwydd 06:37, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] quotes
There are a lot of great quotes we can use for Gandalf but wich ones should we use and were in the article, here are some I think are good. - User:Dwarves
- So do I, and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.|
- Pity? It was pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play yet, for good or ill before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many.
- There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.
- The battle of Helm's Deep is over; the battle for Middle Earth is about to begin.
- I am Gandalf the White. And I come back to you now - at the turn of the tide.
- These are all excellent. Perhaps there should be a quotes section in the article itself as well as the quote at the top Gimli 13:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Vanalised?
there are parts of this article that doesn't make sense, most notably, according to this, Gandalf says to the Fellowship just as he is dragged into the abyss by the Balrog "Fly, your fools"? Fly, surely it should say run?
No,he actually said "Fly." TheGreyPilgrim|Talk|Contribs|Edits 04:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yes,fly in the sense of fleeing.Sochwa 23:09, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Books vs Movies
In the article some parts are taken from the movies which contradicts the books. Pippen did not light the beacons for exemple. What is the policy about contradicions like this? Scafloc 17:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
I dont often edit here, I usually go to Tolkien Gateway, but I would say throw up a noncanon tag when anything from other media contradicts anything from the books.--Quidon88 20:06, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Furthermore, the witch-king never challenged Gandalf and DID NOT break his staff. Actually, in the books, Gandalf challenged and threatened the witch-king at the Gates on Minas Tirith until Rohan intervened
[edit] Abracadbra
Where does the notion of Gandalf being unable to open doors come from? Is there any citation for it or is this simple vandalism? Sochwa 23:07, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
