Wow, is this really true, it seems unlikely. Wouldn't they film the movie in Europe if it was based on it? From my point of view Eruope copied Tolkien

Vangis19 (talk) 13:18, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Btw. the map is very bad made, it doesn´t fit in the geography, the Shire must be definitly in England and not Ireland,

you must edit it all more eastwards.

Edits Edit

As mentioned, I completely overhauled the article to be more factual and better written.  In addition, the below poster was correct, the map is way off and should be shifted more west so that England properly matches with the Shire. 06:25, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

This is way off. There are way better versions about. I also made one that has the slight problem of different scales (distances), so that in the real world they're a bit larger than in the Middle Earth. But who's to say Eru couldn't move submerged parts of Eriador where ever It wanted ? I could post the map if there's a need. In this, The Shire is one of the mostly submerged parts, located currently west of Scotland. Barrow Downs and South Downs make up the Scottish highlands here & Lond Daer is some southern English port. Brandywine about follows the west coast of England.. Anyway it seems pretty clear (to me at least) that Tolkien used at least two different scales so the normal location for The Shire can be shown in another map... 07:59, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

Europe during Cold War Edit

I was always told that the Middle earth represents Europe during Cold War:

  • Mordor = the Soviet Union
  • Valinor = the United States of America (tUSoA... just kidding: USA)
  • rest of Middle Earth = Western Europe, allied with the United States

Therefore, Gondor is easily identified with Germany: the Soviet Russians controlled East Germany the same way Mordor conquered Ithilien. I think that a one-to-one superimposition of a map of Middle Earth with a map of Europe is pointless.

In particular, I disagree with the identification of Minas Tirith and Mordor as Istanbul and Turkey. In fact, Turkey had nothing to do with the Cold War. --Abacos (talk) 16:31, December 1, 2017 (UTC)

Also, Tolkien explicitly stated that his novels were not allegorical. In fact, he - as he quoted - "despised allegory in all its manifestations." Claiming Middle-earth corresponds with the Cold War and that Mordor represents the Soviet Union is simply contradictory to what Tolkien envisioned. SharkyBytesz (talk) 16:52, December 1, 2017 (UTC)
According to this, all this page should be sent to the bin... Or, if it should be kept, the quote you reported should be highlighted at the top of the page. --Abacos (talk) 18:49, December 1, 2017 (UTC)